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As our good friend actionangling was kind enough to post the Pacific Net and Twine Hoochy chart( http://www.pacificnetandtwine.com/hoochies.html) on the recent hoochy thread I thought it would be interesting to post our most effective North Pacific hoochy for 2009 by the number.
Mine is the B 560A Blue Pearl Cuttlefish that is known in our area as the Blue Meanie.
Notice that this isn't the white belly the A means Aurora a kind of rainbow effect.
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Yes...I have a pack of those.Also another good one for east coast V.I. is the B52 (Black on top/speckled silver on bottom/glow strips down sides) made by North Pacific. That one and the Blue Pearl 560 were recommended to me by a commercial fisherman.
I've noticed that the cuttlefish version of a hoochy will often outfish the standard one.
The F.C. Special (which worked very well....black on top/pearl white below) was a cuttlefish hoochy.
Maybe it's those little flaps on either side of the head of the cuttlefish hoochy.
They are just big enough to impart some extra action on the lure I guess...
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Yama****a:- OA12LR...the ''O'' stands for Octopus, the ''A'' stands for Aurora skirt. The Aurora skirt is sort of pearlescent effect.
The ''R'' at the end designates a red slash behind the eye.
An OMW 12R would be Octopus, Milky White, red slash.
I believe ultraviolet has the ''L'' designation...as in OA12LR.
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Thanks Hooker I did not know what the letters stood for until now! Do you also know what the C, M, W, X, and L stand for in some of their hootchies?
My favorites in yama$hita are the 0A12R, O197R, MP15, OG140R, NG142R, OG177R, and the SA60R
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Right now Pac.Net& Twine (Alberni hwy.)is all out of B560A hoochies.)(Blue Meany).
They expect to have some in about 3 or 4 weeks when their big order comes in.
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I have the best luck with G 24L and LG-C104W.
I was told it does not matter what color you as long as green.
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Well....the Blue Meany isn't ALL blue...it also has some green in it as well.
The term Blue Pearl for North Pacific hoochies is a bit of a misnomer.
Many that are designated ''Blue Pearl'' are in fact not blue at all.
They call them that because when you put the hoochy in the water it turns bluish (like other U/V hoochies). So I suspect North Pacific's Blue Pearl designated hoochies are their ULTRA-VIOLET ones.
''Go Green'' for hoochies is just a general guideline ....largely because the water around here is most times a green color...and the rule of thumb is ''match the hoochy to the water color''.
However I wouldn't put all my faith in that rule.
I have many hoochies in different green shades and combos of green with other colors.
Some of them are ''hot'.....others wouldn't catch a Sea-Cucumber.
That said:- 5 that do work (and are all different shades of green) for East coast are:-
The Glow/Splatterback
Radiant's J-79
The T-Rex
The Pea Soup
Army Truck/Glow or Army Truck u/v (these also have red in them).
The Blue Meany is new to me this year. Although I heard that this hoochy works from French Creek on up through the inside of the Island waters right on up to the Charlotte's. (It is a U/V hoochy BTW).
But I don't always go green.
The OA12R Yammy ( Milk White but it is U/V) is a killer hoochy for many waters..and should be a staple of everybody's tackle box.
Also the plain white hoochy with light-blue eyes and NO red slash was very effective in several areas this last year.
The straight GLOW hoochy can be good too.....(an ALL GLOW white hoochy)
Don't under-rate white...it is often deadly.
Also......many of the straight U/V clear hoochies are good.
Like what is known as the Angelo Jellyfish...it's just a clear U/V body with no color.
It does come in various versions as well......like a glow strip down the side or a pink stripe or a green stripe or a black stripe or a purple stripe.
Speaking of Purple.....the Purple Haze is a ''hot'' hoochy in many areas....clear U/V body with a Purple stripe down the side.
The Angelo Jellyfish:- this is versatile because you can take a needlefish hoochy such as GLOW or any color you like and stick it inside the body and then you have the best of two worlds at once.
And oftentimes when you put a a certain color needlefish hooch inside the Jellyfish body...the U/V will make the needlefish colors awesome.
Also:- later in the season many hoochies with ''Pink'' in them will do the trick, as well as all-pink hoochies.
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Okay Hooker you just had to make me do it, I am going to reveal something here that should be in my DO NOT OPEN UNTIL I DIE file so pay attention.
Blues greens and whites and even purples have their place but what about brown. During the early summer our area experiences huge plankton blooms, sometimes the surface water is so cloudy you can not see your 15 pound downrigger ball at two feet. This is the time when I seek places to fish that are out of the main current flow but still sheltering lots of bait. Sometimes the green can off Wilby Shoals harbors great shoals of small herring as does an area known as the Outer Kelp which is in the same vicinity. Now I picked up a book years ago that went into several editions called Bucktails and Hoochies by Bruce Colegrave and Jack Gaunt. Jack Gaunt brought us the Hot Spot flasher as well as the Apex lures so his knowledge of hoochies is very impressive and one thing that I read is that he stated that in very cloudy and murky water the best strategy is to use brown, golds and pinks in order to match the water colour. And I found this a bit confusing until I remembered the ability of herring to change their colouration to match their surroundings. This chameleon like ability was well known to mooching guides as herring placed into a white bait tank would change appearance from blue to an almost blond colour, in fact we often called them blondies and they would be hit almost as soon as they came down into range of the salmon. I participated in several experiments where we took red cloth and green cloth placed them in floating herring tanks and watched the subtle colour changes the herring would undergo and it was amazing. But back to brown hoochies, I started using clear bellied cuttlefish hoochies in shades of brown whenever the plankton was really heavy and knocked off limits of chinook wherever I tried it. By brown I don't mean the Turds that have worked so well off the west coast or the Peanut Butter by Radiant although it does work well in my area but more of a butterscotch sort of brown. I don't have a number but it works equally as well in a glow belly.
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yes....I knew about the ability of Herring to change color in a given situation....I also found out that Anchovies, Shad,Needlefish and a couple of others do that too.
I noticed this one day when I went on ''Google Images'' and typed in herring.
There are numerous pictures there of Pacific herring.
One guy from Alaska is holding one ....and that one is metallic green on the back.
In another picture the back is gun-metal blue.
Many pictures of the same baitfish show them in different hues.
BTW:- The Radiant ''Peanut Butter'' (Radiant only...not any other version)
was recommended to me for F.C. by a guy that was a top producer.
Yep.....I fully acknowledge your advice on Brown shades....as in the #232 Tomic plug,for instance, which many people have told me is a killer plug for east coast under certain conditions....
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Time to add a few other killer hoochys to our list the first one this time it is from Redden net one of their Soundwave brand. It is the J55 a versatile hoochy the guides at Painters Lodge call the Disco.
We fish this one in needlefish , octopus and cuttlefish and find it a deadly pattern.
The next is the Yama****a 0A72R the one known around here as the Jack Smith Special this one says baby blue on the packaging and that just means it is ultraviolet. It also comes in a milky white belly the OMW72R. some guides don't use anything else they are that effective.
Another one in the Yama****a brand is the OG14R this is the pale spackleback green, notice that after the O is a G that means glow belly.
Finally two others in the Angelos brand is the Pistachio, glow with green spots and finally the Lemon Meringue yellow side stripes over glow body. These are all favorites of mine and I use them in all sizes.
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tyeefisher, thanks for sharing some of your favorite hootchies. Thats some great info. I really like the looks of the yama$hita 0A72R but havent tried it yet.
When you talk about the brown hootchies do you know who they are manufactured by. I noticed quite a few brown ones are made by redden net but not many by North pacific or Yama$hita.
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You are very welcome Corey and you will like the Jack Smith Yama****a 0A72R, they were named after an old owner of Tyee Marine Supplies in Campbell River who always pushed this hoochy as the best producer for our waters. And the aurora U.V. effect has made them even better in my opinion, although I still use the milky white belly occasionally.
I visited Redden Net in Campbell River today and talked to my old friends Tim and Bubba about hoochies for about two hours this afternoon and I have numbers for you. First of all the brown Sound wave Cuttlefish J45 that I really like is no longer in production but apparently they have some in storage in Vancouver and Tim has some way of acquiring some stock from someone who has a list of what they have in a computer, Oh really complicated! but he has three packs ordered that I may or may not receive before guiding season. This cuttlefish hoochy is peanut butter brown on top has a clear belly a stripe of red on one side, dark blue stripe on the other side and is known in the trolling industry as peanut butter with jam.
Another hoochy I use a lot in brown water is the Soundwave Cuttlefish
AM28R a hoochy with a peanut butter coloured top and glow bottom. If you are wondering about the AM well so was I and I could not figure it out and I am afraid I consider myself to be a bit of an expert with hoochy numbers and didn't want to ask, but finally I was stumped and I had to ask Tim. Well this hoochy was a special order and was originally destined for Luhr Jensen in the good old U.S.A so AM is for American,'duh' I should have known.
The last hoochy I wanted to introduce today is what we at Painters are calling the Michael Jackson for want of a better name. And it is a Sound wave Cuttlefish no B146 blue top green bottom single glow stripe on each side and heavily covered in sparkle. It completely took over in late July and all of August as the premier producing hoochy for the fleet south of Cape Mudge and even up north it was hard to beat.
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Hey tyeefisher, when you are fishing down deep 180 - 240' in C.R. what models do you like? Do you find that glow or UV outproduce everything else?
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UV and glow certainly make a difference although many of my old standards have neither feature incorporated in their manufacture and they produce very well regardless. The Jack Smith OMW72R as well as the Disco Soundwave J55 are very productive in deep water but generally light condition and water colour and tidal variance are the key to what I am fishing at a particular time. I like the T REX G26 LBD glow and the pearl white GBOGL 161R in low light conditions as well as the Lemon Meringue and Pistachio both Angelos hoochys. On bright days I use far more UV hoochies. Again the Jack Smith CA72R, Blue Tiger Prawn YS470A, Blue Meany B560A, Army Truck Aurora G 790A Less glow. If these don't work I often go to several other hoochys that I have a lot of faith in like the Angelos Witch Doctor AP61 black back glow belly and a particular favorite of mine the Angelos Oil Slick green. Of course the one that caught my three Tyees north of the Narrows last year was the Soundwave Cuttlefish B146 Blue back, green bottom, glow stripes on sides and covered in sparkle.
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Thanks tyeefisher...on another note I heard that gibbs is going to start manufacturing their own line of hootchies this year...
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The guys at River Sportsman were telling me about Gibbs coming out with their own line of hoochies, but what I am waiting to see is whether they are just repackaging North Pacific hoochys under their own label like Angelos did. Jack James formally of Radiant Lures did the same thing with the Mustad line of hoochys but he brought us a wealth of colourful names that really enrich the anglers vocabulary like the Army Truck, Dill Pickle, and the Peanut Butter. Soon we may have to learn a whole new bunch of different names get ready for it. 'WOW' maybe I can get one called Tyeefisher I got to make a call.
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I wonder how far south many of the hoochies you list would work, T.Fisher.
Last time I was up at Campbell River (October....2009. It was a sunny day)....I was standing on Discovery Pier leaning over the railing looking at the water.
I noticed the water up there has a decidedly beautiful Aqua tinge to it....which you don't see when you get down to French Creek. The water here does not have that Aqua tinge...to me it seems to be the same shade of green quite a lot of the time.
I've never seen brown water here......I've seen Red water though (Nanoose Bay when there's a red tide going on).
Years ago the top 30 feet of Alberni Inlet used to be mucky brown due to the sawmill cedar and wood residue coloring the water.
But they really have cleaned up the Inlet now.....the brown is no longer there.
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One of the most memorable fishing experiences I ever had was one evening off the green can on Wilby Shoals in July about twenty years ago. I was out with a friend who was visiting from Tofino and since we were both guides we were trying to out do each other with fishing stories. As we rounded Cape Mudge heading south we passed some anglers on their way back to the lodge and they stopped long enough to tell us that there was no point heading south as they had been fishing for four hours in seas that were the color of blood and that out of fifteen other boats they had not seen a single fish caught. I was ready to turn north and find clearer water but my buddy said he had been fishing in waters the same color under Catface Mountain the week before and had limited out while most other boats were catching nothing. I agreed to keep going while he dug around in his tackle box, and he came up with a pink Charley White Special(The Ultimate Lure)and I guess my face showed my incredulity because basically by that time the lure was a bit of joke, most of us had bought one and tried it because of all the hype connected to Charlie underwater films and nobody had caught a fish on one that I had heard of. Well it went into the blood red water and caught chinook after chinook for hours. I remember that he had his fourth in the boat (the limit in those days) while I still had not had a bite, and I was frantically looking through my own box for some thing the same color of pink. I tried everything I could think of but nothing, finally my friend cut the Lure off his rod and I tied it on mine and had four more fish as fast as I could reel them in. I have run into conditions like that night on many occasions since and while I don't have the LURE any more I have done very well on a red Hotspot flasher with one of the silver decals removed, towing a Angelos Pink Lady Octopus hootchy on 38 inches of leader fished shallow at 60 feet.
About that aqua water Hooker that you noticed from the fishing Pier in October I know what you mean but by October almost all the phytoplankton that stain the water in the summer have died because of the colder weather conditions and shorter days and the water in which we fish our fall chums is gin clear. The green water that you mention is very evident in July and early August and is much the same as I have noticed in other places in the Straits of Georgia including French Creek.
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That Charley White lure.......is that the one that he made that was plastic, hinged in the middle, and had a holographic herring image on both sides...it was fished like bait?
Or is it the one that was the lead jig...usually produced black/silver with yellow eyes and a trailing hook with a flutter-fin on it?
I tried that one many times.......I found it worked particularly well for Lings...but not much else.
But I think he was on to something with that flutterfin. I've used extra blades on jigs down by the hook and provided it doesn't mess up the action of the jig itself, it will often work very well.If you use the wrong size blade or don't rig it right it will definitely mess up the action of a jig.
It would probably work even better if they were vee-shape. I used small Colorado blades because I could never find any vee-shape around.
He underlines this point in his book too....that the vee-shape blade on jigs worked way better than any other type.
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